May 17, 2012 by Barbara With
Deer hunting may soon join open government and good schools on the pile of Wisconsin traditions trashed by Scott Walker.
Each November, hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites take to the woods to hunt, thinning our large herd of white tailed deer. A love of the hunt crosses all social and economic boundaries. Indeed, in the politically polarized environment of present day Wisconsin, deer hunting is one of the few activities that stirs passions strong enough to make many of us set aside our differences and share a few days with our fellow citizens, without regard to their political opinions.
If Walker gets his way, all of this will change.
As reported in Lodi Valley News, Walker has hired Texan Dr. James Kroll to serve as Wisconsin’s “deer czar,” a position that gives Kroll considerable power over Wisconsin’s deer management policy. Kroll is an outspoken proponent of game farms, and an opponent of public lands and public game management, which he is on record as describing as “the last bastion of communism.”
The public lands Kroll despises include the state parks, state and national forests, and other publicly held property that hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites—particularly in the northern part of the state—rely on for deer hunting. Hunters on public land may be surprised to discover that Walker regards their annual trek into a state forest as a radical left wing activity akin to marching in a May Day parade in Red Square. But so it is.
If Kroll gets his way, public land hunters will get the shaft. The deer herd no longer would be managed as a public resource, but as the private property of wealthy landowners. Wisconsin will become like Europe, where hunting is the privilege of the wealthy.
Kroll’s view fit in nicely with those of DNR secretary Cathy Stepp, a Walker appointee who already has suggested that public lands be sold.
What this means for hunters is that the management of the state’s deer herd could be sold or contracted to management corporations like Johnson Timber, who already owns Summit Lake Game Farm on the southern edge of the Lac Courte Oreilles Reservation, and vast tracts of timber land. Joe Hunter would have to buy his hunting tag (and perhaps make a bid on it) from a private game management firm for his deer, grouse, turkey, wolf, berry picking permits, etc.—in a monetized way—in order to exact the highest commercial value. The Game Management Unit, which encompasses timber company and other private, county and state park lands, would profit. They would also have their own Game Managers police force issue your license. In this way, the State would reap the benefits by taxing the net Income after expenses and be out of the business of managing the fish, deer, and other resource gathering rights.
To people who do not own land, or who cannot pay for access to other people’s land, Walker and Kroll’s message is simple: tough luck.
[Editor’s note: A rebuttal to this article has been published here]
Wisconsin Citizens Media Cooperative 
That’s the corporatocracy, taking the public out of public access and public land. They’re close to getting the public out of PBS. You know what that leaves.
HA! Very clever! Well said!
sounds like the deer population will grow and the people population will lessen. i for one will not put up with this crap and leave WI.
Nowhere to go.
The privatization tide is upon us. They have seen their moment and they are siezing it (and our lands). They have the people in their corner, even it is their land that will be taken:
Utah Federal Land siezure:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/53568623-90/utah-state-federal-lands.html.csp#disqus_thread
Sell the National Parks:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-meadows/national-parks-sell_b_1343208.html
Motorize the Wilderness:
http://wilderness.org/content/motorize-wilderness-act
Privatize the State Parks of Florida:
http://www.bradenton.com/2012/05/08/4029913/florida-gov-scott-signs-bill-to.html
Sell Ohio and Pennsylvania State Parks to gas speculators:
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/06/16/senate-oks-fracking-in-parks.html
http://pennsylvania.sierraclub.org/lv/Archives/Gas_Drilling.htm
I did. Montana rocks 🙂
What Casey said!
Now I have heard it ALL!!! This is even a bigger reason why this guy has got to go what if anything will be left by the time Scott Walker is done rapeing the State of Wisconsin?
I am a worthless republican, but walker is really fucking up this state
How exactly is that? He is FINALLY getting the unions to pay something for their benefits. Once he wins the union sponsored recall election hopefully he can put the unions in their place and get Wisconsin on track to becoming a Right to Work state.
That is the most batshit crazy statement i have ever heard in my short life. If wisconsin goes to right to work, the workers will have no rights at all..all the states that are right to work have the lowest wages, least benefits, and are also the poorest states.
As someone who’s lived in two so-called “right to work” states (Florida and Oklahoma), I can tell you that “right to work” is absolutely one of the worst things that could happen to working class and middle class people. It’s great for business owners because they can fire without cause and without notice, and hold that over the workers’ heads while they withhold raises and benefits. Joe Hunter’s statement is completely moronic. Good luck you guys, hope you can get rid of Walker before he sets an example for other powerhungry republican governors.
Sorry if that’s what you really believe. If it was really about getting the unions to “pay their fair share” why has he only targeted a select few of the unions? It’s a witch hunt to break up the Union $ that helps support elections.
The teachers union even agreed to increased contributions in exchange for leaving other aspects like minimum class room size untouched.
This is not as black and white as Walker wants everyone to believe.
Ok, first off you obviously don’t have the brains to research what you hear. For a long time the unions in the state waved all cost of living increases to keep the cost of health insurance and retirement low for public workers. It wasn’t a free gift given to public employees, we paid for it by bargaining away annual raises that anyone working in the private sector would normally get. Your ignorance on the matter is why the walker supporters such as your self actually believe everything he says.
“annual raises that anyone working in the private sector would normally get.”
Not everyone in the private sector is getting annual raises.
Obvious troll is obvious
Ok. Joe, what the wanker did do was to get neighbor fighting neighbor. Take yourself, you are all tied up in a knot that your neighbor down the block is making a little more than you. Take a teacher, they have costly investments just to become one. In addition to ongoing education to keep current. And Joe If there are no unions and that is really the plan. Check out Koch brothers statements about unions and hey minimum wage. The people at ALEX feel the same. Without unions and then no minimum wage employers will have no incentive to invest in employees, They will cut wages, drop benefits. Hey in Wisconsin about the only thing the state says to employers is give them a unpaid lunch. Yeah no breaks. And as the 1% has shown it is all about the money, not in your pocket but theirs. If unions are gone and minimum wage has ended. Hey! welcome to the largest 3rd world nation on earth.
Actually, the State Corrections workers currently have ZERO lunch break during the day now that they have no contract. Walker’s tools for corrections employees was to have admin tell the officers to stay on their post and eat a lunch in front of the inmates. Can’t even order food in to the institution. An unpaid lunch would be AWESOME!!! Can’t wait for right-to-work when employers can treat all this way!
It’s true I have a close friend who is a Corrections Officer and he told me the same, he now has to sit down and eat lunch with the prisoners milling around him. Talk about a position of vulnerability to danger, these guys are in for murder! I wasn’t happy to hear about them doing this to people doing one of the shittiest jobs in the state.
Lets throw Walker in with the prison population….who knows maybe he will end up there sooner then we hope..
That’s just plain stupid. The union workers offered to make compensations prior to Walker’s dictatorship. Do you think he pays for his medical insurance or any part of it? That of his family? Has he taken a pay cut? Does he care how parents are going to get medical care for the children when Badger Care is gone? What about you’re Grandparents? Does Walker care about how they are going to get the extra money they need to pay for their medical bills once he cuts their health care? What about classrooms? This man hasn’t even gone to college. He has a lot experience in that growth doesn’t he. I’m not saying that everyone has to go to college, but we should at least have the choice. The poison this man is passing out isn’t any good for anyone who isn’t already wealthy. So many people are backing Walker just because they are ignorant of the facts.
Is there no one here in Wisconsin that knows how to raise and control deer?
Being a proud member of Local 314, I am glad to say our union has our employers paying 100% of our health insurance out the profits made by our blood, sweat and hard work. United we stand divided we fall.
You need to do some research and stop parroting inaccurate talking points. Sate workers (who I assume you’re specifically referring to) pay taxes just like everyone else, for one. Secondly, and more importantly, state workers have bargained over time for benefits instead of wage increases over time (saving the state money, because it’s cheaper to get benefits than it is to give everyone raises). Unions are not the enemy here. Why not ask for the private sector to give better benefits, instead of taking those benefits away from the people who make Wisconsin run?
the problem is that the benefits paid are after retirement so the taxpayer is paying double for the same job being done once you’ve retired, that is why the postal service is in such big trouble as well. Teachers are retiring at 55 with full benefits while we are still trying to pay new teachers coming in. The deer are the least of our worries, find a friend that owns land!
Tina, the money we get back in retirement benefits is the money we gave up out of our paychecks. That’s all. We are hoping that we’ll get back as much as we put in, but it’s not likely because Walker is trying to destroy the system and take the money we took out of our salary to save for later. That’s theft, plain and simple. And you wonder why we might be angry? And teachers in Wisconsin have been under a salary cap for decades! There were indeed years when health benefits went up so they got less than the year before. I’m a little tired of people thinking that we somehow are making a bundle.. Please read this article (below). Walker has been lying about us. The money owed us when we retire is our own. And it comes out of the retirement system, not a taxpayer account.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/25/the-wisconsin-lie-exposed-taxpayers-actually-contribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions/
We aren’t cheating anyone. And I’m sorry that so many people now believe that we are . It’s just plain wrong. In the article, you can click on the link and verify the truth for yourself.
DUH! How little you know. The retirement pension teachers and other public workers receive is the money they earned and put into the pension fund. It isn’t the tax payers money anymore.
Please clarify your reference to the USPS. It is my understanding that the postal service is not funded by the taxpayers, so what is your point?
Joe. What? Did you even read the article? Wait! Probably not. Like everyignorant person out there, you fail to even try to open your narrow-minded little brain and attempt to educate yourself.
Just to let you know…many teachers signed on many years ago, with the purpose of educating our children, and the benefits were a reason they could support their families on such a low income. Now that the insurance companies and Walker have squeezed the daylights out of them, the teachers are struggling to pay their bills and feed their families. If it were an option for teachers who are nearly halfway towards retirement, they would maybe consider a career change. I think it is a shame for someone who has never taught a day in their life, to assume the job is simple and think that teachers are milking the system. Do you actually realize they don’t have the same opportunity for advancement as their corporate counterparts, who may well be paying for their benefits? I, for one, don’t know a single teacher who makes over 100k per year! Oh, and if you can read this…thank a teacher.
So why dont you apply for a state job in corrections if we hadit that good! Educate yourself because if walker wins he has plans for the other side people who voted for him! Dont let me see you on here crying saying i didnt think he would do that! Remember family and friends are forever wa lker will come and go!
Let’s see if you still think that when you have to pan handle as a second job so you can pay the bills. Right to work is the right to be treated as cheap, throwaway labor. Wake up.
I’ve paid something for my benefits for many years before Walker…..so if he uses the same tactics for deer hunting that will be good? You must own lots of land or have lots of $$$ or you would be more than a little worried about your deer hunting future.
Joe Hunter you should have your head examined!!!
What the heck does that have to do with HUNTING?????
Ryan Meves, thank you for at least admitting you have a problem. That’s the first step to recovery. Now, take the next step and help get this bastard out of our state!
I’m a bleeding heart liberal, but goddamnit you take my venison from me and it’ll be YOU Season! I’m a proud Wisconsinite, born and raised and my family are avid deer hunters! I don’t even own a gun myself, but that doesn’t mean I don’t hunt!
To cap’t…love your comment about hunting! I consider my views liberal, as well…but, believe strongly in our second amendment rights. What’s all of this bull on the radio about Barrett taking away guns? He must not be loading the wallets of the NRA lobbyists, as Walker and his corporate friends are ;)!
Very well put! I am a liberal who strongly believes in 2nd Amendment rights. The anti Barrett commercial sponsored by the NRA is using information from 1994, during the “Assault Rifle Ban.” The information is almost 20 years old. What’s next? They will find out he is lactose intolerant (I do not know if Barrett is or isn’t) and say Barrett is against dairy farms? Come on people, use common sense.
You got that right
Ryan hit the nail right on the head. Walker realy scares me. How the hell do you plan a retirement if more of this crap is going to happen. It makes me sick just to see the basturd on tv or in the paper
valued replublicans vote for people not ideologies. May I suggest Barrett now.
Applaud the honesty.
You’re a Republican I could maybe like!
@Ryan – We’ve got to stop labeling ourselves Republicans and Democrats. We’re all Americans first. Since Citizens United happened, it’s all about money period. We’ve got to stick together and protect our country from the pillage of our state and country by these modern robber barons.
republican or democrat does not matter,the bipartisan system we have is bull$hit,it’s only porpoise is to keep people fighting amongst ourselves so you don’t see what is realy going on.no matter what party they lay claim to a politician is a politician period !they work for themselves and private interests not the people.ANYONE that votes by political party rather than the issues is a frakkin’ idiot and should not vote in the first place because they have no idea what they are voting for.Barret isn’t about taking away guns only better background checks etc. i realy like some of the anti gun comments like “every day 34 Americans are murdered by guns” people see that and it’s “oh my god we have to do something” because they take what they are told as the truth, realy??? “every day 40 americans are murdered by Oxycontin” where the hell is that sign?(and that one IS true) bottom line ????we ALL need to quit being so lazy that we allow OTHERS to form OUR opinions! know the truth about what your voting on,take the frakkin’ time to look it up and find out the truth for yourself because no politician (or anyone else trying to sway your vote) is going to give you the truth ,of that you are guaranteed !
Once the big corporations fence off their parcels of land, they’ll for sure raise the property taxes of all the surrounding plats. Long held family hunting land will go up on the auction block when people can’t afford to compete with big corporations when it comes to taxation. It’s a land grab for sure. If you think you’re safe because you have a small slice of Wisconsin to hunt on, think again.
Right to work for less state you mean Joe Hunter..
Joe Hunter, your agit-prop won’t get much traction here. The unions have been making concessions for years. The idea that the State would cover health care benefits and retirement contributions was proposed by the State, not the unions. That arrangement saved the State money on FICA contributions. You are more than ignorant. You are a willful agit-propster. Happy hunting.
You people(right wingers) have some idea that fighting for the rich is a good idea. They don’t give a shit about you or your stupid redneck thoughts or actions. If you died tomorrow the government cares enough to give you $255 dollars. That’s what a human life is worth in this country. They actually put a price on it….and they lowballed it. You have a RIGHT TO WORK IN A FACTORY and live in a trailer but you still love rich people. What kind of deflated mentality is that? They beat you down so much mentally, JOE HUNTER, that you actually believe them and I’m guessing your dad beat you physically so I don’t blame you. I blame your shitty father and mother.
that $255 dollars is only for the survings spouse. the one left behind gets nothing no matter how many years he or she has worked. I went threw that bull shit with my parents
Oh for god sake STOP with the union propaganda. Each time you say UNION i hear KOCH BROTHERS. Walker is taking billions of dollars of money from corporate sponsors and using it to run lies on major media outlets. But teachers are the ones we have to blame? Honestly, this stale old lie has to weight anywhere close to here.
You sound like one of the people I have been reading about. “The Goebbel Diaries” outlines how Joseph Goebbel, Minister of Propaganda under Hitler, was able to move the psychology of the German people. The basic premise was, lie lie lie and then lie some more.
When a man is the subject of a John Doe investigation, when his staff is being charged with felonies, when he is never in the state because he is too busy collecting out of state funds from billionaires, and he has his own legal defense fund, anyone who still tries to blame the unions has obviously fallen under the spell of the Lie Lie Lie philosophy he and his propaganda ministers espouse. Did you know that one of his top aides was caught texting underage boys? this is not fabrications, like Walker’s funny math, this is reporting the truth through the propaganda echo chamber.
Sorry, I am not sure what psychological disorder you might have the would prevent you from your own critical thinking of the facts, but I would advise you turn off the TV and stop listening to the “It’s Working” propaganda campaign. Seems to be turning your mind to mush. But then again, that’s what its suppose to do so I suppose in some twisted way, it is.
Fuck walker im moving to mn
Cmon over, we’ll take ya! I hunt and fish exclusively in WI….this is BS! Privatization would be a disaster in this case….and drive up poaching on private land 100%!!!!!!
Really? Minnesota, home of Michelle Bachmann, Al Franken and Jesse “The Body” “Former Governor” Ventura.
Its not just about hunting. Business’s will lose money when those hunters don’t come to the area. People depend on that meat. Besides hunting other game. Going fishing etc. It is also a beautiful place to find peace amongst nature. I’m not into politics and i put no one down for their beliefs. But this affects all in WI. It will hurt the economy.
If this happens those big corporations won’t pay a dime in taxes. They have loopholes so big you can drive a truck through them. The tax burden will fall back on the population of WI. If you love WI’s tradition of hunting on public lands vote Walker out!!
Follow the $ chain here. Johnson timber that is mentioned is a large timber company in Northern WI that is a very large contributor to Walker and the GOP. They have a lot to gain. Have even had propoganda videos developed by the company that makes Discover Wisconsin TV to support their positions.
The Deer Czar is also on record as saying that the best conditions for deer are open areas with lots of edge. To support the ideal environment Wisconsin should have a private company (Johnson Timber) cut down some of the timber on public lands. They would probably be paid to cut down the timber too and take it to the mill to make a profit. The czar position was put in place to back up the policies the Walker administration wants to implement.
Wow, there are people who hunt/fish in order to feed their families because they can’t afford to buy meat. They can afford the license and tags, because it pays off for them in the long run. Less money to spend on food. More money to pay for necessities like rent, taxes, health insurance. Do not privatize public lands, especially state parks, management land, and wildlife refuges. They are there not only to give hunters public land to hunt on, they also preserve what nature there is left in this state. We need every bit of natural sites we can get because there are endangered species in this state that more than likely would not be protected if big corporations had their way. That’s why I’m not voting for Scottie. You know he’s going to fuck our state over even more if he’s not recalled.
Going to game farms is a poor-shooting rich white men’s sport. It’s not the way to hunt. None of my family would consider hunting that way. They have a proud hunting tradition, teach the children the humane way to deal with hunting, teach them proper weapon handling, teach them appreciation of the nature, how to track. I can’t imagine that the good hunters of Wisconsin would be pleased — or that they would hunt in a commercial setting, which could result in economic hardship for some businesses. Guess the guv wants more Illinois rich boys in the state, shooting at confined animals. How long before quail nets are set up?
Alison, nobody is complaining about “private property.” They’re concerned about privatizing hunting. I share those concerns.
As someone who has never been in a union, my concerns about how walker has governed have very little to do with collective bargaining, although I think there should be collective bargaining. If you’re going to accuse folks of what they’re concerned about, at least be accurate. Asking questions helps.
Wow. How can any middle class republican now see this man as someone who has their best interests at heart?
Taking away deer hunting? Next it will be fishing. Then it will be access to Wisconsin lakes. Wake up, Wisconsin. This man IS a corporation and now you can see, he’s really not an individual like we are. He’s not one of us.
I didn’t have a thing to do with unions until I married a guy who works for the UW-Madison as an electrician. For the past several years, guess how much the state has subsidized my hubby’s health insurance and mine? $0. We pay every last penny of our health insurance our of our pockets. What’s more, if we want to participate in the state system, we have to pay for a very high-dollar program. Our out of pocket for health insurance is nearly $1,600 per month. I’m not complaining. But I do just want you to understand that not all State employees receive the benefits you might imagine or have been led to believe.
Avid union wife, I’ am in a union, have been for 37 years. I do work at a place where my insurance is pd for. Now, When I started where I’m at 30 years ago I worked for 80 % of union scale. I have not had a raise in 4 years and I pay 5.9 % of my retirement . If you add up the numbers, then our insurance is not free either. nuff said
Allison I don’t hate Walker, and collective bargaining is just the tip of the iceberg. I am not pro union. CORRUPTION comes in all places. Walker is as corrupt as they get. Can we say JOHN DOE? He has been lying to this state for as long as he has been in office. Look at what’s being uncovered in his Milwaukee run. 15 felonies? No one is making this up.
And again please..unions? Walker LIED about the COST of unions. That is fact. He told us for weeks that unions and collective bargaining was bankrupting us. Bull. Because in April he was brought before Federal Senate Oversight committee and HAD TO TESTIFY that unions and collective bargaining had absolutely NO EFFECT on the budget. Look it up for yourself if you want FACTS. Google Kucinichi Walker Senate oversite committee and WATCH THE WEASEL have to finally tell the truth. It should be painful for you.
Do your homework. This is not about liberal vs conservative. This is about Walker as a tool for Koch Brothers. If you are so pissed off about unions and their money, you should be outraged at how Koch and Cline Mines bought the Tea Party legislators to do their bidding. trust me, we have watched i happen right before our eyes. Millions of media dollars being spent to spin the lies. Its disgusting and truly mirrors how Goebbels did it in the 30s and 40s before everyone found out that they were slaughtering the Jews.
So all you tools crying “It won’t happen here?” Watch and be amazed at how Walker will lie, cheat and steal all the resources of this state INCLUDING hunting.
You want facts? There is no lack of facts. There are people like you who are diverting conversations as if there are no facts. Then when we bring the facts, you call us names. Stop. We are onto all of you and will not allow Wisconsin to be broken by these corporate tools. Wake up before its too late.
Walker and his Koch Bros.allies are domestic terrorists. They are destroying everything that the people of Wisconsin hold dear to their heart.If this guy continues in office he will destroy our not only our environment, employment,and economy,but also our values and traditions.This guy is TOXIC and must but throw out of office before any more damage is done to our state.
I do hope you all know that the Wanker has control over the wet lands. He has plans to fill a couple in as I type this. One will change flooding and that flood will run right over residential areas. (we will be left on the hook for repairs)
Now you may say so what. Well the wet lands is were all water fowl comes from it is their nesting areas. If they are gone it will change the migration. And could very well hurt fall tourism in the north. Every thing Wanker sells of (privatize) from schools to prisons to VA homes etc. Will end up costing us much more in taxes. Once sold corporations will do what ever they wish to increase their money pile. They will hire for less, and charge us for more that is how it works. They are out to make money. And how do you make money? you cut wages, benefits, quality. and one all is owned by corporations you can charge the state whatever you want. Hey, with no public schools. You can’t say no way were are not paying that. They got the control. No state could afford to build all new schools. See public service be it schools whatever are a break even sort of deal. They do not make profit. Once they are corporate they are out for profit and they can do whatever they want. They got the power.
Back and forth back and forth this govenor that govenor. Have we not ALLL learned they are all crooked?? Money talks and bullshit walks. We need to go back to how our country USED to be run when all the way up to the president paid for their own propaganda. When the political roles were not paid positions. I think we all forget these guys are in office to make money and they dont really give two squirts about the people. We need an every day Joe in office I dont have a Harvard degree but guess what I am able to balance my check book, why is that not the case in what seems to be all of our electoral positions??? I dont know just food for thought I guess.
I couldn’t agree with Nate and Korey more! The funny thing is, my wife” who is a teacher”, has 7 years of school. Walker has one. Getting rid of collective bargaining was just a political way for the republicans to take down the unions so they could get more votes. Generally unions support demo rats. Then the republicans can take more chairs in office. And soon run this state. I can’t belive people fell for it. ” Let’s take away money from hard working middle class people. Get everyone mad at them, by saying they don’t deserve it”. That’s what Walker did. It took the eyes off of him and the government who messed this state up themselves, and blamed it on hard working people. It’s time for a real change! Not this back and forth crap!
My wife is a state employee and we pay 1000.00 a month now with our helath insurance not sure how this is our fair share. She now makes 20,000 a year. So if you think state workers are making SO MUCH money guess again. but I’m guessing you people who like walker don’t realize a lot of the changes he has made we will not know the full damage it causes until a year or two down the road. If he isn’t recalled this state is fucked……
I call BS
Little closer to to $256 on a public school teachers salary, better check whos screwing you in the payroll dept. !
Just to correct one misapprehension: I am a gun owner and a hunter. Neither are the exclusive domain of the so-called conservatives who support Walker.
this needs to be shared far and wide. Republicans and democrats care about this issue. The media should be picking this up
Ha you all are idiots!
I love reading these “stories” that are not based on facts. You have a great imagination Barbara!
Maybe you should check out these “stories” as you call them, you might learn something, that is, if you want to learn. The problem is, Walker supporters, can get the facts and then they just ignore them or are too lazy to check the facts out for themselves, it is easier like WD does to just call names. That way you don’t have to display your ignorance.
Lance and WD, don’t get mad at us cause you got your mullets caught in the tilt-a-whirl at work today.
WD and lance don’t get mad at us cause you got your mullets caught in the tilt-a-whirl at work today.
Public land? Public hunting grounds? A mere shadow of things to come. There’s another “bomb” waiting in the wings that Walker wants to drop…..selling off public utilities. Go back and read his budget bill. Full of nasty little surprises. Wait until we have to buy our power from the corporate fat cats and see what that will cost us!
I have been seeing signs all over about outdoors folks supporting Walker….LOL…what? So now the Walker is working to make sure us little folk can’t hunt where the weathy own land….so, if worse comes to worse and you need to feed your family buy hunting, it will be illegal for you to do so. And if you can’t demand safe working conditions, a living wage, decent work hours, discrimination in the work place….you will either work in terrible conditions for nothing, or you will not work at all….lets see…starting to sound like the middle class is being conqured and divided to become a slave class….I recommend a book every should read, while we still can read what we want, and it’s Howard Zinn’s The People’s History of The United States. You learn how this country was started, it’s struggles and conflicts to ensure the constitution and bill of rights apply to everyone. It’s talks about the creation of Unions, why unions were created…it talks about the idea of Conquer and Divide which is Walkers goal to break the middle class….we need to understand our short American History, to understand what is really happening in our country…I promise you, being educated about the people we are putting in office is the only thing that may slow this process down.
Oh where to start today…Lance honey, you must be living in a cave to support Walker. There is all sorts of documented facts. How’s about this one? We are suppose to TRUST the DNR. Really? When the idiot secretary Stepp and her underlings come directly from the Metropolitan Builders Association? Honestly…Now comes out the scandal of Herr Environmental that is only growing daily.
http://wcmcoop.com/members/sewergate-scandal-outrages-concord-residents/
How about the one where the unions are making us broke? Right. Let’s review the video of his testimony at the Senate Oversight Committee where he has to admit he lied
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/4/15/headlines/walker_admits_no_fiscal_benefit_to_anti_union_provision
Gosh honestly I can go on and on but facts don’t impress fascists like yourself. You will continue to spread your lies, and support a man who also unplugged healthcare for 33,000 of the states poorest people, while giving tax breaks to all his friends.
Oh can we say “Sand frac” mining? When Walker opened this state for business, Chippewa and Barron counties are now moonscapes, with dangerous silica dust destroying health, a truck every two minutes and out of state mining companies profiting from our losses.
Please…stop. You Walker supporters are either stupid, uninformed and believing the corporate press or just plain evil like him. Go get yourself something to wake yourselves up. I can tell you there are far fewer of you than there were last year at this time because people are finally seeing for themselves the crap he and his corporate henchmen are pulling.
I was quite worried when the people of Wisconsin voted for Walker in as govenor. This guy has done more damage to the people of Wisconsin than anyone I know. Now it is not enough to hurt the people now he is going after the wildlife and public lands. He has to go before it gets past the point of no return.
When the land is all privatized what will stop the mass onslaught of unregulated timber harvest and destructive mining methods?
Look who posted this if you believe this article. (Barbara With in Badger Democracy) The democrates are grasping at straws. They will say anything to make Walker look bad.
Er, Dee, can you say John Doe? How about how his right hand man and his boyfriend were caught sexting underage boys? Walker does not need me to make him look bad. All of his criminal acts actually do that quite well. And does democracy make you nervous? Really? Then be prepared to move back to the south and live with slavery, only this time, you will be the slave. Sort of like how Walker had prison inmates decorate the Capitol christmas tree last year. Wise up, honey, now you’re the one that looks like a sap.
Hey Dee….how about doing some research before you make comments. Read the article in “Texas Monthly.” Facts about Dr. Kroll are in that article and have nothing to do with political parties in Wisconsin. They have everything to do with Dr. Kroll being a big-business deer owner in Texas and his push for outlawing hunting on public land. Ummmm you think he will profit from WI turning into a “fence only” hunting state if he can sell deer to the landowners? I love it when people make uninformed comments about democrates….it makes Walker look even worse when his supporters are that stupid!
Will …I couldn’t of wrote it any better. This is full of half truths, people do your homework yourself and quit believing everything you read in the media BS!
DR. Kroll is an expert in his field.
Again do your HOMEWORK this a bunch of BS!!!!!!!
Er, Jeff, Goebbels was also an “expert in his field.” Walker is a crook and has been stealing this state blind. YOU do YOUR homework. Where should you start? How about with the big environmental scandal coming out about Herr Environmental dumping shit three times the level, WITH Walker’s DNR ovesite? They are experts in their field, too…bilking the public out of protection for our natural resources. Remember his crony with the trucking company who had to pay $60,000 in fines for pay to play? Could we talk about the John Doe investigation? How about all the times they violated our constitutional rights by trying to ban free speech? And now you say, oh this guy is an “expert in his field?” The only half truths here are Walker’s and those aren’t even half.
And you WISH it was half truths. Walker, tool for Koch Industries and Cline Mines, is robbing this state blind. WAKE UP JEFF before its too late.
The issues here are political, not scientific. Kroll’s field is wildlife biology. When he attacks public game management as “communist” he is speaking as a political partisan, not as a scientist, and his expertise counts for nothing.
Did my homework Jeff……It appears Dr. Kroll is an expert in the health of deer and raising trophy racks…..but he also owns deer and could stand to make a huge profit if he opens WI to a “fence only” hunting state. Most Northern WI hunters don’t hunt for trophy racks nor can they afford to pay to hunt in a fenced area. This is not bullshit, it is fact and it could have a HUGE impact on yet another majority of WI residents and WI culture. Unfortunately, once Walker quickly and secretly changes a policy, regardless of his motive, it’s too late for those it affects. Did you do your homework?
So y in a story about deer hunting don’t they mention that barrett wants us to hunt by pitching rocks at the deer being he is anti gun rights and gets a rating of F from the NRA and unions there is almost non of them in the north but we do just fine OSHA is at my work place several times a year to make sure there not making us work in bad or dangers situations
My husband is an avid hunter and my grandson also,but if you believe anything from the NRA you are just another one who buys their propaganda. Every election, they try to put the fear in hunters that the Democratic opponent will take their guns away. They have done it year after year after year. And we all have our guns to hunt, and never once has the opponent tried to take any one’s guns away or ever say they would. NRA just wants your dues, how do you think they got to be one of the biggest lobbyists. From the money from people like you, who believe their crap. My husband has hunted for 53 years and no one has ever tried to stop him or take his gun away. So if you are supporting the NRA just keep throwing your money away and making them richer. Show me one article where Barrett says he want to take your gun away.
My local school is giving it’s teachers a rise this year and next and a teacher with there full time in makes 50 plus thousand a year that’s good money that comes from tax payers that average 30 thasand that’s the main reason alot of us have no sympathy for them and I know there job is not easy but if u don’t love your job your not a good teacher and should look for other work any way. And badger care my brother in law a able bodied 30 year old man just went in to the hospital becouse he had a wood tick on him it cost him a dollar badger care Aka the taxs payer paid it and if u can’t afford your kids KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED AND YOUR ZIPPER UP paying for the trailer park to breed when they know they can’t afford it is not my problem
For god sake Mark. Do you live in that trailer park? How much does Dick Cheney make off taxpayers. I hear he got a new heart at my expense. And I would much rather give teachers a raise and not have my hard earned tax dollars pay for war. Do I get a say?
How much do we pay Walker? He didn’t even graduate from college, and I would never trust him near my kids, considering one of his right hand men was caught cavorting with his boyfriend and an underage maie while they were sexting the kid.
What an utter farce that you are so jealous of a teacher making $30,000 a year to take care of our kids. How sad you feel you must demonize the very people who guide our children through most of their formative years. THEY should be the ones getting the big bucks, not the legislators who are taking this state to hell with their corporate takeover. Wise up and smell the coffee or go back to the trailer park. Please.
And Barrett is not against hunting. What a crock. Now who is making crap up just to be reactionary. Just because Barrett voted no to decreasing the waiting period to get a gun from 3 to 1 days does not mean he is against guns. It means he, like many of us, want to make sure guns are registered to people who won’t misuse them. Get a grip. Guns don’t kill people, people do and so why not make sure of who gets one? you license a car, a boat, to drive, why not to own a potentially deadly weapon. What have you got to hide?
Mark: What does this have to do with deer hunting? How is privatizing the deer herd related to teacher salaries?
Barbara, you stated the following. “You want facts? There is no lack of facts. There are people like you who are diverting conversations as if there are no facts. Then when we bring the facts, you call us names.” Yet, you proceed to call us the following: “tool”, “Fascist”, “idiot”, “sap”. How is it that we are to believe your “facts” when you are so blatantly hypocritical? Whatever credibility you may have had, is forever lost. You have become what you have so passionately despised. That being an opinionated, hypocritical, politically motivated individual. Those, are the facts my dear.
Seriously Mike? Honestly? That’s your answer? LOOK around you. READ the site here. SEE the links to the articles, the reports right before your eyes. I use the word TOOL because people who support Walker without even looking past the propaganda (and yes when someone broadcasts lies, untruths as Walker has from the start) you are literally becoming a tool for those lies.
Idiots? Yes, read the posts from Pro Walker supporters. Bad grammar, uncritical thinking party lines. That I name you for what you are does not mean I am not giving you the facts.
READ THEM, they are all over this site. And if wanting to save our democracy from someone like Walker, the corporate tool for the Koch Brothers and Cline Mines and all the other big pay to play sponsors he is working for, makes me “politically motivated” in your eyes, so be it. This is politics, after all, and all of you who mindlessly support a liar who has abandon the constitution will have to cope with the results of your actions.
And by the way, “fascism” is actually the correct term for the corporate takeover of the government. The only difference with this regime and say Hitler, or Stalin, is that the tyrant is the corporate industrial war machine that Walker is supporting. Even using a Rove’s operative on his DOA staff. A woman who was investigated when she worked for Bush for the same crimes Walker’s top guys are being convicted of. Wake up Mike. Wake up.
And Mike how about if YOU prove ME wrong? YOU bring your facts. Let’s see where you are getting your information. Mine is all right here, links to the documents/articles/facts. Seems to me I am being fairly transparent here, unlike you and your leader.
What facts are you presenting? I would like to read them, and your sources if possible. Thanks!
lol wow i see how many actually have an education here.
for one thing i agree with most of you but then i read “deer population booms and human wont lololol um pick up a book sometime and you will see nature will thin them out o her own,that whole thining thing is a crock of shit,let us be honest you hunt for a few reasons,1.for food for family 2for fun
any other answer to why you hunt is bullshit lol thin the herd bahahahahaha but seriously back to the matter yes they need to quite trying to fuck shit up with their corperate greed:/
Wrong. It would only work that way if humans were to stop interfering with EVERY aspect of nature and allowed it to balance itself.
Humans have created an unnatural balance (in part) by eliminating the bulk of large predators. You should hear them go on and on and on about re-extincting Wolves in my neck of the woods!
What this means is that if humans don’t manage the herd, we find our communities overrun with deer – who do fun stuff like eat everyone’s bulbs before they can flower, leave big piles of poop on everyone’s yard, and (apparently) scaring middle-aged folks who are terrified their little pets might be hurt (dunno … heard it more than once in city council though).
My little town even resorted to the brilliant strategy of trapping the suckers and deporting them when our shifting demographics and growth impacted their habitat – driving them in to the established communities – and at the same time running off the remaining predators.
Good God Mark, Where did you go to school? Just trying to read your posts, it looks like your teachers were paid WAY too much for the job they did with you. I’m sorry, It wasn’t fair of me to blame your teachers, some kids are just unteachable.
Hi All! I live here up in Park Falls Wis where Johnson Timbers owns the woodyard and Papermill here in town. They have a union at the mill (Work there for 22years) and all you see is these HUGE signs on his trucks SUPPORT GOVERNOR WALLKER! GOOD FOR WISCONSIN. He even put one on the overpass of the mill that dam near coverd up the Union sign!! I lost all respect for this JERK and I am glad I do not work there anymore.
And you thought he was only out to break the unions? Quess again!!!! It’s time for outdoor Wiisconsinites to raise up and vote this present day Hitler, Sadam, etc out of Wisconsin altogether. How many hunters and fishers will repost this. Vote June 5th. Save our heritage!
this article is a bunch of left wing bull. but i shouldn’t be suprised. i am just concerned that this article, which was emailed to me, is going to con people into thinking walker is anti average hunter guy.
The article in Texas Monthly, “Which side of the fence are you on?” That quotes Kroll. WAKE UP people. Walker is a crook. Its not about liberal vs conservative its about democracy vs this fascist corporate privatized drain on our state:
“GAME MANAGEMENT,” SAYS JAMES Kroll, driving to his high-fenced, two-hundred-acre spread near Nacogdoches, “is the last bastion of communism.” Kroll, also known as Dr. Deer, is the director of the Forestry Resources Institute of Texas at Stephen F. Austin State University, and the “management” he is referring to is the sort practiced by the State of Texas. The 55-year-old Kroll is the leading light in the field of private deer management as a means to add value to the land. His belief is so absolute that some detractors refer to him as Dr. Dough, implying that his eye is on the bottom line more than on the natural world.
Kroll, who has been the foremost proponent of deer ranching in Texas for more than thirty years, doesn’t mind the controversy and certainly doesn’t fade in the heat. People who call for more public lands are “cocktail conservationists,” he says, who are really pining for socialism. He calls national parks “wildlife ghettos” and flatly accuses the government of gross mismanagement. He argues that his relatively tiny acreage, marked by eight-foot fences and posted signs warning off would-be poachers, is a better model for keeping what’s natural natural while making money off the land.
A trip to South Africa six years ago convinced Kroll that he was on the right track. There he encountered areas of primitive, lush wildlife-rich habitats called game ranches. They were privately owned, privately managed, and enclosed by high fences. He noticed how most of the land outside those fences had been grazed to the nub, used up. “Game ranches there derive their income from these animals—viewing them, hunting them, selling their meat,” he says. “There are no losers.” At his own ranch Kroll has set up a smaller version of the same thing. His land is indeed lush, verdant, with pine groves, an abundance of undergrowth, wild orchids, New Jersey tea, jack-in-the-pulpits, and other native plants. He has also set up a full-scale breeding research center and is one of twenty Texas deer breeders using artificial insemination to improve his herd. “We balance sex and age ratio,” he says. “We manage habitat. We control the population and manage for hunting. I want to leave the deer herd better than it was before we came.”
Koko perhaps you should check your facts. Here is the quote from the Texas Monthly article that quotes Kroll, entitled, “Which side of the fence are you on?” by Joe Nick Patoski:
AT GENE RISER’S PLACE IN South Texas you can see how hunting on a high-fenced game ranch works, both as a business and as a sport. A few days after my visit, a party of three from Mississippi was due to arrive at his ranch for a three-day package hunt in which Riser would house them, feed them, and escort them to a blind where deer were known to feed. A later group of five from California chose to rattle antlers to attract their quarry. The hunters pay a flat fee for the experience and a bonus if one of the party bags one of the bigger bucks roaming the ranch. “A big, mature eight-point will cost $2,500,” Riser says. (The size of a male deer’s antlers is determined by the number of tips, or points, on its rack.) “Ten points will fetch $3,500. And if he’s a wide and beautiful ten-point deer, with twenty-inch antlers, it’s $5,000. This season I’m getting eight paid hunters averaging $3,000 apiece. I could get a lot more than that, but I’m holding off to raise more mature bucks.”
Just want to thank you for all your comments, and for having tracked down the Texas Monthly article and include the info. I’m writing to our local paper, and will include more facts, thanks to you!
Barbara, do you have a copy of that Texas Monthly article? I found the website, but don’t want to subscribe. If not, i’ll just trust your quote, as I”m going to include that info re: the costs in my own letter to our paper here in Appleton. Thanks.
Why in the world would it be so hard to believe that Walker wants to privatize these lands? Walker is all about private everything. Look at how he is destroying public eduation in favor of charter schools. All this crap about how good the schools are doing are lies. Talk to ANY TEACHER in the state and you get a different story than the propaganda you are hearing from the Koch financed ads.
Joe Hunter,you are A DumbAss Son of a bitch.Not only has Walker lost more jobs,than any other state,but now he wants to take more rights away from wisconsinites.
If any of the sportsman from Wisconsin believe this, you are off your rocker. We finally have a Gov. doing something good for our state.
Did you know your governor is about to go before the Senate Oversight Committee again to see if he perjured himself the last time he was there? April 2011, he had to admit under oath that unions have nothing to do with the budget. Wake up before its too late. Walker is a crook and will get what he deserves, prison time.
This article is a half-truth in itself. As a guy who hunts and has plenty of buddies who hunt, the real truth is not everyone gets a deer (regardless of all the stories your friends tell you.) So to say you are paying $24 for a $750 product is a load of crap. There is over $750 being spent for each deer that is shot. And, oh by the way, I will pay $0 and shoot all the rabbits eating my garden. I thought a rebuttal might be mind provocking, but like the line in the Billy Madison movie, I am now dumber after reading this article.
So, Ryan, no Republican who votes for Barrett is “worthless”. In fact, you are the one who will make the difference in the Recall. You will be the hero. Are you registered? Are you voting for Barrett? Are you talking with your Republican friends?
Aren’t we all jumping the gun, so to speak?
I consider myself a pretty progressive guy and have done/ am doing as much as I can to recall Scott Walker. I came across the Daily Kos/ WCMCOOP article last night and was quite intrigued; anything to compel folks to vote Walker out is of interest to me. So I looked into “Dr Deer” James Kroll and his preliminary report, released two months ago — you can read a summary of it here: http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/144706945.html
Yes, Kroll is a self-inflated loudmouth from Texas who takes the low road. Yes, his adulation for game farms and private landowners’ rights is concerning. But let’s put all of this into perspective. He was commissioned by the DNR to conduct a study; he is not a regular state employee. All he is empowered to do is write a report and make recommendations. Even if his proposals are positively odious and contrary to Wisconsin tradition, it’s not like the DNR can simply overhaul the deer hunt policies overnight. The State Legislature would have to approve of any major changes, presumably following statewide public hearings. Deer hunting policy gets as much attention as changes to the Packers lineup and beer laws. As despicable as I personally find Scott Walker, I don’t think there’s any huge nefarious plot afoot to take away hunters’ rights; and even if there were, such would require a conspicuous process that would be scrutinized by the light of day, not done in the cover of darkness in some shadowy midnight process. I don’t want to see our side resorting to a similar kind of fear-mongering that the right often resorts to, but this silliness over an attention-seeking braggart from Texas who whoops it up about communism and the like smacks of just that. With all due respect, why don’t we chill out and not make ourselves look like a bunch of desperate hysterics?
Corcoran Bauer, I guess we at WCMC have seen too much up close and personal here in Wisconsin. We have spent months in the gallery watching as exactly what you say is not happening is happening. I did not read it in a newspaper. I was there month after month watching as Walker and the Tea Party Republicans have stolen, cheated, lied and stolen their way through this state. I would suggest that you stop with the tin hat conspiracy attitude and get yourself down to the capitol. Or watch the archives on Wiseye. Or read about the end of the session and all the crap they pushed through that average citizens like yourself know nothing about. Seriously. I was there. I saw it happen. It was frightening.
I remember when people were saying things like this about the idea that Walker wants to use prison labor. People said exactly what you did. And then lo and behold this Christmas prison inmates were shipped in to decorate the tree. You think this is a cost saving move?? It takes a paying job away from someone else so Walker can get cheap to free labor.
He and his tools in the legislature passed laws that stripped women of the right for equal pay; he is working to make it legal that PHARMACISTS can deny women birth control. There is no more sex education in the school and what they do teach is from their special phake facts. I saw this. I was there in the committee meeting when Hulsey was grilling them on the “facts” that they were proposing were true, which if really get into the education system will literally kill people.
no sorry, YOU wake up and smell the coffee. This is no normal year and this is not just republican and democrats facing off. This is a long term plan to takeover our government with corporate control and Walker is in the lead. WAke up.
Barbara, good lord chill out and show a little respect!
First of all, I live in Madison half a mile away from the Capitol. I was there everyday last year. I testified at the JFC at 2:30 am on Wednesday the 16th, after sitting in the hearing room and waiting for 7 hours — when it was still Tuesday the 15th. I slept on the Rotunda floor five nights in a row. I was there when we were threatened to be arrested if we didn’t leave. I was there when the Republicans broke the Open Meetings Law. I personally helped Amie Williams when she was making her documentary We Are Wisconsin. You are in no position to question my bona fides and tell me to wake up. We are on the same side. You are welcome to check out my blog should you remain skeptical: http://scribblesabit.wordpress.com
My point with the whole deer debacle is for us to retain the high ground and not stoop to hysterics and fear tactics, lest we resort to the same crap our opponents use against us. I’m all for and all about Pastor Niemoller’s “First they came for…” vigilance, but I am as interested in remaining level-headed and grounded (and not the coffee-kind of grounds with which I need to be woken up, thank you very much).
Hematite, I thought the story originated in the Lodi Valley News (http://www.lodivalleynews.com/human-interest/public-game-management-is-the-last-bastion-of-communism-dr-james-kroll-walker-appointed-deer-trustee/), but I could be mistaken about that.
Look, all I’m saying is Kroll strikes me a red herring. I totally agree that Cathy Stepp is a much bigger problem to worry about. As such, I am more concerned about the recent pollution by companies and farms that the DNR is not addressing than some yahoo from Texas who has a thing for fenced-in deer farms.
The story originated in Deer and Deer Hunting magazine. It was picked up by Lodi Valley News, and by us from them. Deer and Deer Hunting has since reprinted our version of the story. Our article merely served to catapult an issue into public consciousness that was being ignored, and would likely would have continued to be ignored. Again, this is a serious issue among those deer hunters (including myself) who are motivated by something other than an allegiance to Walker. Kroll’s history is against him here, and the rebuttal he issued yesterday did nothing to address the legitimate concerns that we and others have raised.
This story did not originate with the WCMP, but with a group of deer hunters who are very worried about the effect and significance of Kroll’s involvement in Wisconsin hunting. The issue is serious and the threat too real to be dismissed as fear-mongering. Kroll’s position on public lands and public game management dovetail neatly with Stepp’s long-held contempt of the DNR and with Walker’s push to put every aspect of public life under the control of private, for-profit business. Kroll’s a blowhard, yes, but do you imagine that that marginalizes him in Walker’s Wisconsin? He is a quiet, sober intellectual compared to Joel Kleefisch, Scott Suder, Kathy Stepp, and other prominent Republicans who regularly take stands on conservation issues. The fact is that the state is run by blowhards. There is every reason to suspect that privatization of hunting is exactly what they want. Spend a week in the Capitol sitting in on committee hearings and legislative sessions, and any illusions you might have about the current Wisconsin GOP being anything other than a gang of right wing ideological extremists will be blown away.
Good attempt at stirring the pot to pit people against each other Barbara. Sad excuse for journalism.
http://www.ultimateoutdoorsradio.com/where-i-stand-dr-james-c-kroll-wisconsin-white-tailed-deer-trustee/outdoor-news/
Kroll’s statement is long on sentimentality and self-pity, and short on substance. He does not actually say anything, and carefully avoids any real discussion of the privatization of hunting, which is what this all is about. The “aw-shucks” affectation of political innocence rings hollow in someone who took a $125,000 job from Scott Walker.